Dropping visitors

[vBET]

I just checked all information and links. It seems that links you gave are working. Also old link which has language= is also working. Please see forum description: Harleyforum.se - Skandinaviens forum för Harley-Davidson & Custom (Danish) - it means that vBET appropriately recognized language and asked for translations - most probably you already reached translation providers limits. I will also check ti and confirm.

Still there is an issue - old link suppose to be redirected to new format, so search engine will re index it. I'm going on your forum now to solve the issue and confirm does lack of translation is because of reached limits or because of some issue. Also please note that limits are temporary, so you will be able to translate again when translation providers reset their limits Going there now

[vBET]

OK - one thing confirmed - your translation providers are not available. When I turn it, those immediately turns off, because limits are reached. You can check it here Admin CP -> vBET -> Trnalsation Providers Availability

Also I checked it in other way - I used Microsoft test - you can check it here: http://harleyforum.se/microsofttest.php and actual answer from Microsoft Translation API is:

Starting translation test
 Test result: "TranslateApiException: AppId is over the quota : ID=3737.V2_Json.Translate.1F6D7B14"
 Test error: 
 Connection time (ms): 426.399902344

So as you see you already reach your quota in Microsoft. Microsoft has hourly and monthly limits.

I also used Google test: http://harleyforum.se/googletest.php at this moment it tells that it is OK:

Starting translation test G API V1
 Test result: {"responseData": {"translatedText":"powitanie"}, "responseDetails": null, "responseStatus": 200}
 Test error

But vBET disables it immediately - most probably you reach limits for connections in one second - I will checks it in logs and confirm. I will also change one settings for you (waiting time between translations) - it will make your queries send with some time between (for one page translation) so chance that you reach Google limit for one second will be smaller - still possible, but it is Google who set those limits...

Please note that vBET checks every 10 minutes does provider is available again.

I will keep you informed here

[vBET]

ONE VERY IMPORTAN THING You had disabled database cache - no wonder you had no translations at all - you reached your limits immediately, because forum wasn't caching results and was asking each time for translations (over and over again). I just turned on your database cache - please keep it turned on

[harleyforum.se]

ONE VERY IMPORTAN THING You had disabled database cache - no wonder you had no translations at all - you reached your limits immediately, because forum wasn't caching results and was asking each time for translations (over and over again). I just turned on your database cache - please keep it turned on

Yes, thats correct due to harddisk on server was alost full the other day, had to disable it till serverdudes rised harddisk limit. Fixed now.

OK. so .htaccess file is correct? thats what I mostly want to be sure of. The translate limits i am aware of. Thanx so far.

[harleyforum.se]

Still there is an issue - old link suppose to be redirected to new format, so search engine will re index it. I'm going on your forum now to solve the issue

Any luck on this issue?

[vBET]

OK - confirmed that Google is turned off because of quota. Right now you have in your public_html devlog.log file where are written logs about when providers was turned on again and why was turned off with all details. Here is response from Google:

1318457726437 13.10.2011 00:15:26 ******SWITCH provider availability Google to 0 /da/forum.php
19 13.10.2011 00:15:26 ******Google error: {"responseData": null, "responseDetails": "Quota Exceeded.  Please see http://code.google.com/apis/language.../overview.html", "responseStatus": 403}
 and request: cut here
and decoded request: cut here - too long see in logs full /da/forum.php

So as you see translation is working - you simply reached your quota. Google test can work when translation is not working, because test has just one short word to translate and when you turn on provider manually (or vBET automatically) there is so many requests that you reach Google quota immediately.

What to do with that. Few options - one just wait until cache will fill and fill and if it will be filling up faster that new messages are coming then everything is OK. It is really bad that you had your cache turned off, but it is filing up right now. Other option is to disable for some time most languages - leave only few - this way you will have less Google translation requests so you shouldn't reach second limit so fast. Other option is to use Google v2 where you can set your own limits, but this API is unfortunately paid.

Please note that at this moment I'm leaving logs on - I will remove it if you want. Still you can go there and see how it is working.

I'm going now to redirection rules to allow to redirect old links to new ones.

[vBET]

TO OTHERS WHO ALSO READ THIS TOPIC - please note that your forum can require other rules modifications (used vbseo or other type of vBulletin Friendly URLS) - I made in bold what is essential in modification. So it is 1st rule and modifying standard vBET rules (remember you can have different - because or vbseo, friendly... - just as just described). So do not just copy it and if you have doubts just contact us and we will help you Please remember that this it modified here only because earlier was used other type of links. If you start with SEO link you do not need anything like that

OK - issue with old links is solved. It is now redirecting appropriately to new links type.
So this: Harleyforum.se - Skandinavisk forum for Harley Davidson & Brugerdefineret (dansk)
Is redirected here: Harleyforum.se - Skandinavisk forum for Harley Davidson & Brugerdefineret (dansk)

I had to change rules which are described in the post - I think we will have to update those. So your rules now are:

RewriteEngine On

#TEMPORARY RULES****** - until search engines reindex from old urls to new urls
RewriteCond %{QUERY_STRING} language=(zh-TW|zh-CN|..)
RewriteCond %{QUERY_STRING} !vbetredirected
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !css.php
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://%{HTTP_HOST}/%1/$1? [L,R=301]

RewriteRule ^/?(af|sq|ar|hy|az|eu|be|bg|ca|zh-CN|hr|cs|da|nl|en|et|tl|fi|fr|gl|ka|de|el|ht|iw|hi|hu|is|id|ga|it|ja|ko|lv|lt|mk|ms|mt|no|fa|pl|pt|ro|ru|sr|sk|sl|es|sw|sv|zh-TW|th|tr|uk|ur|vi|cy|yi)/archive/index.php/(.*)?$ archive/index.php?/$2&language=$1&vbetredirected=true [L,QSA]
RewriteRule ^/?(af|sq|ar|hy|az|eu|be|bg|ca|zh-CN|hr|cs|da|nl|en|et|tl|fi|fr|gl|ka|de|el|ht|iw|hi|hu|is|id|ga|it|ja|ko|lv|lt|mk|ms|mt|no|fa|pl|pt|ro|ru|sr|sk|sl|es|sw|sv|zh-TW|th|tr|uk|ur|vi|cy|yi)/$ index.php?language=$1&vbetredirected=true [L,QSA] 
RewriteRule ^/?(af|sq|ar|hy|az|eu|be|bg|ca|zh-CN|hr|cs|da|nl|en|et|tl|fi|fr|gl|ka|de|el|ht|iw|hi|hu|is|id|ga|it|ja|ko|lv|lt|mk|ms|mt|no|fa|pl|pt|ro|ru|sr|sk|sl|es|sw|sv|zh-TW|th|tr|uk|ur|vi|cy|yi)/(.*)?$ $2?language=$1&vbetredirected=true [L,QSA]
#END OF TEMPORARY RULES

#RULES for SEO translation links without any SEO engine (on raw vBulletin links)
#If you are using vB 'Mod Rewrite Friendly URLs' then put those rules JUST BEFORE vB rules
#******************************USE THOSE 3 when after disabling temporary rules
#RewriteRule ^/?(af|sq|ar|hy|az|eu|be|bg|ca|zh-CN|hr|cs|da|nl|en|et|tl|fi|fr|gl|ka|de|el|ht|iw|hi|hu|is|id|ga|it|ja|ko|lv|lt|mk|ms|mt|no|fa|pl|pt|ro|ru|sr|sk|sl|es|sw|sv|zh-TW|th|tr|uk|ur|vi|cy|yi)/archive/index.php/(.*)?$ archive/index.php?/$2&language=$1 [L,QSA]
#RewriteRule ^/?(af|sq|ar|hy|az|eu|be|bg|ca|zh-CN|hr|cs|da|nl|en|et|tl|fi|fr|gl|ka|de|el|ht|iw|hi|hu|is|id|ga|it|ja|ko|lv|lt|mk|ms|mt|no|fa|pl|pt|ro|ru|sr|sk|sl|es|sw|sv|zh-TW|th|tr|uk|ur|vi|cy|yi)/$ index.php?language=$1 [L,QSA]
#RewriteRule ^/?(af|sq|ar|hy|az|eu|be|bg|ca|zh-CN|hr|cs|da|nl|en|et|tl|fi|fr|gl|ka|de|el|ht|iw|hi|hu|is|id|ga|it|ja|ko|lv|lt|mk|ms|mt|no|fa|pl|pt|ro|ru|sr|sk|sl|es|sw|sv|zh-TW|th|tr|uk|ur|vi|cy|yi)/(.*)?$ $2?language=$1 [QSA]

Please note that I marked some rules as temporary - after your pages will be re indexed you can remove those add go back to standard rules. It is because you had internal redirection loop even when rules clearly tell that it suppose to be last rule. We had to made little improvisation here (added special parameter to recognize is it already redirected or not. Also I had to made special case for your css.php requests.

Now search engines will appropriately re index your old links to new one. Please note that it can take some time - it depends on your forum size, how often tour forum is crawled by robots and for search engine itself. It can even take 3-6 months before your pages will be re indexed. You can of course just leave all those rules just to be sure. Still those are modified so if you will find any issue please let us note we will help you

Please check and tell do you need more support here

[vBET]

Any luck on this issue?

Just solved - please see previous post. Had to improvise but it is working Sorry it caused you trouble - this is not needed if someone starts with SEO links - you had free version before with SEO links turned on (free version also supports SEO links) so that is why it was needed. Please check and confirm.

[harleyforum.se]

Thank you vBet dude!

All seams to work fine now. HOW long approx do I need the temp rules? approx 2-4 months?

I have only 9 language now so cache can build up. The tranlate quota I understand, just happy the links are working.

Great service, thanx again for your help!

[r.dziadusz]

It is difficult to say, it depends on your server traffic etc. I would say that something about 3-6 months. You can check it after some time how links are shown in search engines. Also please note that you can just leave those rules - it will not affect performance in any visible way.

Have you got any further questions about this issue?