Auto translated pages vs google content guidelines

[vBET]

Thank you Kamil. I think it's a real shame that Google doesn't like content generated in this way. I think they should make an exception for forums because Vbet is a fantastic idea and even in the short time I had it fully working I saw an improvement in my stats. All is not lost though of course because the really clever part of Vbet - that foreign language speakers can participate on a forum in their own language - is of course still there.

This is not true that Google doesn't like such content. This is all misunderstanding because of false information which StarBuG put here. Please look and hear carefully the movie. Here you have it described more:
http://www.vbenterprisetranslator.co....html#post7873

[vBET]

Google do appear to have removed VBET pages now: please see the discussion on my blog.

I personally DO NOT THINK that these pages are spammy, they have a legitimate purpose...
Lost in Translation: Google Algo Update 06-04-2010 | SEO Blog from SEOforums.org

I read your blog. As I see it is reaction to last day information. Please note that In my opinion it is not related to translations. Especially that I just checked and I see that your forum is indexed in other languages: site:SEO Forum + SEO Blog SEO & Tools@seoforums.org

So because I see that your translated pages are indexed I suppose that it was only some temporary issue maybe even on Google analytics side, but definitively not related to vBET. Can you describe what happens now?

[MOGmartin]

mate - Im a big fan of your plugin, and I've made the case with google that its not auto translate spam.

Having said that - take a look at my blog post.

The VBET auto translated pages have been booted out of the index buddy.

My suggestion: use a different API or at least give the option to. There is no way that google can detect that pages are auto translated IF THE TRANSLATION IS GOOD ENOUGH.

Certain languages like Spanish work very well, some dont.

[MOGmartin]

I read your blog. As I see it is reaction to last day information. Please note that In my opinion it is not related to translations. Especially that I just checked and I see that your forum is indexed in other languages: site:SEO Forum + SEO Blog SEO & Tools@seoforums.org

So because I see that your translated pages are indexed I suppose that it was only some temporary issue maybe even on Google analytics side, but definitively not related to vBET. Can you describe what happens now?

the pages are still indexed, but they do not appear for any searches.

Its 100% NOT a temporary GA issue, and the non translated (ie. normal) pages have not lost any search volume.

(almost) 100% of the search volume going to the VBET pages has stopped.


Don't get me wrong - Im 100% on your side here, the issue is, google isnt.

Also - I'm NOT saying that the VBET plugin is at fault or broken - it still works very well and is a great plugin. Google however have announced that they are treating these pages as autogenerated, and as such are not sending any search volume.

I will update you and my blog in a couple of days time.


Some credentials for you: Im a professional SEO, have been for 6 years, I speak regularly at conferences - I'm not someone who is talking with "half knowledges" or a misunderstanding of how google works.

[MOGmartin]

Here is the updated traffic stats.

@hilinebuilders here is the updated graph. Also seen the same... on Twitpic3


FYI: I also have sites powered by wp-robot in wordpress that use the google translate API. They have also been hit at the same time and lost 100% of their traffic.

[norku]

Thanks for the new info chaps. I blocked my translated pages on the 30th of March and then decided to reverse the changes a couple of days later so I've had Vbet running normally again for a week now. I just checked my landing pages and pageviews and can see no significant drop in activity for the Vbet-generated content. Things seem normal here but I'll monitor the stats and if I see the Vbet pages being dropped I'll post here.

[MOGmartin]

Thanks for the new info chaps. I blocked my translated pages on the 30th of March and then decided to reverse the changes a couple of days later so I've had Vbet running normally again for a week now. I just checked my landing pages and pageviews and can see no significant drop in activity for the Vbet-generated content. Things seem normal here but I'll monitor the stats and if I see the Vbet pages being dropped I'll post here.

its not the activity (ie. pageviews) that you should look at, its the landing pages, ie traffic that google send to those pages.

the activity is perfect, the VBET plugin is perfect, the issue is google not sending traffic to the pages it creates (which is a big part of the plugin's value to me)

[norku]

As I said, I checked the landing pages and I see no significant difference. Mine is a small forum and I've only been using vbet for a few weeks but my results aren't showing a drop at the moment.

Edit: I can't upload pics here but I am looking at the graph here (filtered as yours is) and it shows a steady climb. Perhaps I'll see the drop on the next update but certainly for now I see no probs.

[vBET]

mate - Im a big fan of your plugin, and I've made the case with google that its not auto translate spam.

Having said that - take a look at my blog post.

The VBET auto translated pages have been booted out of the index buddy.

My suggestion: use a different API or at least give the option to. There is no way that google can detect that pages are auto translated IF THE TRANSLATION IS GOOD ENOUGH.

Certain languages like Spanish work very well, some dont.

Just as I wrote I read your blog already And I wrote you that I see your translated pages by vBET indexed in googe. See yourself - just write in google query:

site:http://seoforums.org/de/

So those are not booted out of the index, or maybe I do not understand what do you mean...

[vBET]

the pages are still indexed, but they do not appear for any searches.

This is not true. I just send this query to Google:

wenn ich tat Blog-Posting zu diesem Zeitpunkt eine Sache in meinem Kopf kommen. Was ist Haupt-Unterschied zwischen Autoblog und spamblog

The result is only one and it is your site on page translated by vBET.

Its 100% NOT a temporary GA issue, and the non translated (ie. normal) pages have not lost any search volume.

(almost) 100% of the search volume going to the VBET pages has stopped.


Don't get me wrong - Im 100% on your side here, the issue is, google isnt.

I'm glad you like vBET This is not about who is on which side. We just must check any information which can be crucial for our users. Especially if it is information so important like this. So we just have to correct any statement which could give false impression of vBET users about its usability.

That is why we checked does it is true that your translated pages are removed from the index. And now we checked does it is not possible to reach those by searching. And in booth cases results are good - it means that your pages are indexed and are reachable by searching.

Please note that if your traffic for translated pages is lower that before it could be good to compare your positions in Google index, what is very important for traffic from searches. Maybe because of Google changes some of your pages wend down in index. It could be temporary or for longer. Hard to tell.

Also - I'm NOT saying that the VBET plugin is at fault or broken - it still works very well and is a great plugin. Google however have announced that they are treating these pages as autogenerated, and as such are not sending any search volume.

I will update you and my blog in a couple of days time.

Thanks for note. Of course we also have to check such information analyzing does it is vBET fault or not. This is to assure great product for our users and as one of our users we hope that you are glad that we treat it seriously and checking everything also from side of vBET potential bugs.

We will wait for your update.

Some credentials for you: Im a professional SEO, have been for 6 years, I speak regularly at conferences - I'm not someone who is talking with "half knowledges" or a misunderstanding of how google works.

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