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Snake
28-09-11, 16:42
When using Microsoft translate pages get 500 internal server error!

Snake
28-09-11, 17:16
This is urgent. Google blocked me today.

I cant afford to pay for v2.

And when i need microsoft option it doesnt work.

My pages are all translating blank with Google v1.

I need this fixed asap please!

I get 500 internal server error when translating pages with mircosoft!

Simon Lloyd
28-09-11, 17:39
Did Google block you?, i'm having a similar issue that some thread titles are missing and translated text is blank, but if i change to different languages the thread title...etc appear

Snake
28-09-11, 17:43
Looks like they did, but i recenly refreshed my entire db, so ive been making a lot more calls than normal.

Its probably a 24hr block but it still doesnt help the Microsoft option doesnt work.

I see this MOD dying, MS option is limited and Google is taking the service away.

Yes, if parts are missing, you're being blocked.

Simon Lloyd
28-09-11, 17:54
Hmmmm, a 24 hour block, i wonder if thats the case with me as the now banned Baidu spider has had around 350 on my site at anyone time (built a mod to get rid of them), do they block single languages or all translations?

There is going to be a paid translation service which is supported in the latest version of vBET.

Snake
28-09-11, 17:56
If you ban spiders the pages will never be indexed, defeating the point.

LOL, i tried the paid, i used 1 million characters in 10mins @ $20

If you want to start paying $1000's for the traffic then its a solution i guess.

Simon Lloyd
28-09-11, 18:11
Re: the spiders, i understand that but Baidu spiders bring little traffic but really crap all over your resources, so i now ban most chinese and other nonsense spiders:
Baidu
Ichiro Mobile
Soso
Sogou
PSbot
Yandex (russian yahoo)
Yeti
spinn3r
.... i could go on :)

Well if i don't get these particular translations back i'll have to go paid but my translations..etc already account for almost 12 million urls and a lot of my pages have a lot of content so i can see me dumping support for the rest of the world at my forums, which is a real shame. I just cleared my caches (guest and database) and got 9Gb of space back!

Snake
28-09-11, 18:14
Well, i refreshed my cache which was 6gb, trust me, with that many urls you CANT afford v2 API, many thousands.

Re the spider's, the pages only get translated once, so whether baidu does it or a user or google makes no difference.

So blocking spiders, is pointless.

I hope the MS api works, but ive done some reading and its limited to 50 calls a minute, which i highly doubt is enough to support most forums.

Travel Fans (http://www.travel-fans.com)

Simon Lloyd
28-09-11, 18:23
50 calls per minute? jeez!, that probably means that for the remaining 59.99 seconds my forum will not get any translations :), what are their rules on caching the translations, do you know?, it wouldn't be too bad if we can keep the translations, it means a slowdown in trnslations for a few months but eventualy it will catch up!

tavenger5
29-09-11, 01:07
I'm having a similar issue with translations to English (default) not working. If I switch to v2 it works for a second, then on the next page load it does not. Something is up with Google Translate.

Snake
29-09-11, 01:21
Does the MS option work for you tavenger5?

tavenger5
29-09-11, 01:57
Also, same happened to me when I enabled MS Translate. The server isn't making a connection and timing out.

Snake
29-09-11, 10:01
Its a waste of time anyway, the MS limit is 4m chars a month.

When i enabled v2 google i used 4m chars in about 15 mins.

Even if i wanted to pay $1000 for 50m chars (max per month) from Google, id use them in days.

This MOD is dead, unless VBET can find a free way for it to continue.

r.dziadusz
29-09-11, 10:02
There is no limit of 50 cals per minute froms MS, also right now if you are not using google api v1 there is no cache time to live limit.
About your issue, please describe it, you turn on microsoft api, and it didn't work, please make sure that you are configurate vbet correctly, and if you are sure about it please PM your access to your server/adminco, i could check it on place

Snake
29-09-11, 10:06
I suggest you read here:

Translation API usage limits (AJAX) (http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-AU/microsofttranslator/thread/ec777537-d356-43ed-b25b-50ec5ece53f4)

4m chars a month / 400k a hour is not enough.

I have explained my problem, as has tavenger5 who has same issue.

When i enable MS option, i get 500 server error when i translate a page in the browser.

I do not need to PM my server details, if he has the issue too it should show on your test forum.

Regardless, its a waste of time, this mod cannot work now Google is going paid.

No one can afford to pay $1000's a month, and the free options have to low limits.

It sucks but this is dead unless you can find a solution, better than the current ones.

Travel Fans (http://www.travel-fans.com)

r.dziadusz
29-09-11, 10:46
Yes I've read it and there is clearly said that there is no limit of 50 cals p/m, also 500 error issue didn't show on my test forum.
But please try this solution: find if is there in your forum root that folder

vbet_translation_options

Snake
29-09-11, 10:53
4m chars a month / 400k a hour - is what I said also.

I calculate a 10,000 thread forum has around 450 million chars.

So that would take 112 months via MS or cost $9000 via Google v2.

You think this is ok?

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I have looked for folder. Does not exist in root or /forums/

r.dziadusz
29-09-11, 11:01
Yes, we are working how to solve limit problem, also cached data will reduce amount of translation.
But, 500 error problem, please read carefully this post: Vbet 3.5 relase (http://www.vbenterprisetranslator.com/forum/vbet-announcements/2404-vbet-3-5-0-released.html#post10168)
And pay attention that it is necessary to upload vbet_translation_options to your forum root, without this the MS won't worked, and there will be a lot of lack is translations

Snake
29-09-11, 11:05
Of course cached data will reduce translations.

BUT a 10,000 thread forum will take 100+ MONTHS to fully cache.

That is over 8 YEARS!

LOL.

r.dziadusz
29-09-11, 11:10
As I said we are working on ideas that could help us improve our product every day, Is the problem still existing?

Snake
29-09-11, 11:12
It kinda works now.

Italian doesnt though, (possibly others) which is weird, MS support italian.

http://www.computer-juice.com/forums/it/

Travel Fans (http://www.travel-fans.com)

Snake
29-09-11, 11:14
Some pages do not fully translate. My first computer build-What do you think? - General Hardware Chat - Computer juice (Japan) (http:// www.computer-juice .com/forums/en/F10/my-first-computer-build-what-do-you-think-33,697 /) Bottom page of text missing.

Snake
29-09-11, 11:14
http://www.computer-juice.com/forums/zh-CN/f10/please-help-me-my-computer-build-19586/

Travel Fans (http://www.travel-fans.com)

Snake
29-09-11, 11:17
Here's what I think.

MS limit has been reached already.

So...

What solution is there now? I have no way to translate do i!

r.dziadusz
29-09-11, 11:27
If you are sure you are blocked by google (if not you can do tet from here: http://www.vbenterprisetranslator.com/forum/troubleshooting/6-faq-2.html#post1728) you can write to them to reaccess your IP(it is also said in post i gave you), if you will be using not " only google" so mainly microsoft API you will reach your limits slower

Also, please remember that vbet cannot change google/MS limits, right now we provide also google api v2 for comercial users, but we are searching for other way of translating

Snake
29-09-11, 11:30
So what happens when Google turn off v1 API?

Then what is the solution?

This is not a long term fix, is it.

Snake
29-09-11, 11:32
I ran test:

Starting translation test
Test result: {"responseData": {"translatedText":"powitanie"}, "responseDetails": null, "responseStatus": 200}
Test error:
Connection time (ms): 91.19482421875

Snake
29-09-11, 11:38
I think its working, i disabled vbet for a while and seems i am unblocked.

But this is still serious, there is NO solution when v1 gets turned off.

If i were you i would be looking for better solution, fast or customers will have to leave.

Snake
29-09-11, 11:43
NOPE.

Broken again.

Eu nu pot obţine nimic pentru a inregistra prin microfon mea. - Multimedia şi codec-uri - Juice Computer (în română) (http://www.computer-juice.com/forums/ro/f52/i-cant-get-anything-record-through-my-microphone-21725/)

Starting translation test
Test result: {"responseData": {"translatedText":"powitanie"}, "responseDetails": null, "responseStatus": 200}
Test error:
Connection time (ms): 88.702880859375

Is this a Google block or something else, because if i enable V2 it works fine!

Snake
29-09-11, 11:46
Ah, here we go.

Starting translation test
Test result: {"responseData": null, "responseDetails": "Suspected Terms of Service Abuse. Please see http://code.google.com/apis/errors", "responseStatus": 403}
Test error:
Connection time (ms): 583.18505859375

Snake
29-09-11, 11:46
Im uninstalling, i cant use this anymore. It's junk.

r.dziadusz
29-09-11, 12:09
Please reconsider your decision, we are working on it

Snake
29-09-11, 12:14
I have no choice, it cannot work.

Even when translated, if i have 10 new threads a day this is around 9 million chars per month.

So MS will never cope. It cannot work even for small forums.

Big forums is impossible to work.

What are you working on? Why should I wait?

r.dziadusz
29-09-11, 12:49
Each day we try to improve translation system and serach for other translations API, ale for many user this limits are enaugh, have you read/use this: http://www.vbenterprisetranslator.com/forum/general-discussions/243-vbet-performance.html

Simon Lloyd
29-09-11, 13:04
It looks like Google are also limiting daily calls on transaltions in v1!, this is very sad, if i have to remove this mod then i'll have many thousands of posts that i'll have to edit.

tavenger5
29-09-11, 13:53
Here's an example of one of my pages not being translated: http://cellphoneforums.net/rim-**********/t335709-a.html

Edit: I guess there's a filter on the site for 'b lackberry' (without the space)?

r.dziadusz
29-09-11, 14:00
It is not a vBet bug please read my message in throubleshooting subforum: CLICK! (http://www.vbenterprisetranslator.com/forum/troubleshooting/2425-major-translation-issues.html) where you also take part in, or open new thread for other issue's.
This Problem is about limits, but vBet itself doesn't have influence on it

Simon Lloyd
29-09-11, 14:12
Here's an example of one of my pages not being translated: http://cellphoneforums.net/rim-**********/t335709-a.html

Edit: I guess there's a filter on the site for 'b lackberry' (without the space)?Just checked your thread and thats exactly as mine are!!

r.dziadusz
29-09-11, 14:34
@Snake: You've got an 403 error, this is propably coused not becouse of too long messages -(not this error) but becouse of to many request per second, try to this hint:
First, check out if you are still blocked by google, if yes -http://www.vbenterprisetranslator.com/forum/troubleshooting/6-faq-2.html#post1728, after your connection is open:

admincp -> vbet -> translation options -> Delay between translations try to increase this value, and check out if google will block you again
NOTE: don't use to big value becouse it will slow your performance

Snake
29-09-11, 14:39
Ive uninstalled, this mod has no future, please reply my uninstall problem thread.

vBET
29-09-11, 16:43
Please note that vBET 3.5.0 is in BETA STAGE and it is clearly described in download section:

Download Latest BETA (unstable) Version for vBulletin 3.x - vBET 3.5.0

It is clearly described that this version is unstable - everyone uses BETA version on it's own risk and he is aware that it is unstable.

BETA version is normal part of each software development - vBulletin and other mods also are released in beta version.

In case of issues - just notify it to us so we can solve it and if it is critical go back to latest stable version which is still available in download section :)

basketmen
30-09-11, 18:05
Its a waste of time anyway, the MS limit is 4m chars a month.

When i enabled v2 google i used 4m chars in about 15 mins.

Even if i wanted to pay $1000 for 50m chars (max per month) from Google, id use them in days.

This MOD is dead, unless VBET can find a free way for it to continue.


As I said we are working on ideas that could help us improve our product every day, Is the problem still existing?


Here's what I think.

MS limit has been reached already.

So...

What solution is there now? I have no way to translate do i!


If you are sure you are blocked by google (if not you can do tet from here: http://www.vbenterprisetranslator.com/forum/troubleshooting/6-faq-2.html#post1728) you can write to them to reaccess your IP(it is also said in post i gave you), if you will be using not " only google" so mainly microsoft API you will reach your limits slower

Also, please remember that vbet cannot change google/MS limits, right now we provide also google api v2 for comercial users, but we are searching for other way of translating


So what happens when Google turn off v1 API?

Then what is the solution?

This is not a long term fix, is it.

I want to share my alternative solution

I think this mod will never be dead, and will be go forward because of its basic potential : larger our forum, traffic and revenue, and as long vbulletin still used as first choice for forum software. There will be always solution, and you always not be alone

i am suggesting again my feature request here :

Manual editing other language translation result/cache, by admin (http://www.vbenterprisetranslator.com/forum/feature-requests/1033-manual-editing-other-language-translation-result-cache-admin.html)

its no need engine translation out there at all (so not breaking anyone tos or limitation), just manually translation by human, unlimited, safe, and the best translation result, depending on how much the person translating abillity. Admin/staff/moderators/members can participating to help manual translation







actually since still not giving this feature requested last year yet in above thread, me and one of my staff already done this for some post, about 20.000 post in few months are added manual translate, its works together with the google translate in the post. Its not perfect methode, but i am satisfied enough with it, and everyone understand the translation result, until the feature request above are given


So i am just edit the post, by admin/staff, because they can edit anyone post, and add this below the original post, (remove the space after /notranslate, and /quote) to make it work in your own post


[quote]
This is manual translate text (or manual translate information image)
[notranslate]
Your manual translate text here
[/notranslate ]
[/quote ]



the result are like this

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/basketmen/manualtranslation-1.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/basketmen/manualtranslation2.jpg






because the experiment and experience until now, my staff got little tricks too, to make the manual translation a lot faster, even i am not realized it before, so no problem for manual translation speed for me, if this feature request can given

vBET
30-09-11, 23:43
Hi. I just read whole thread from the beginning and also got some more info about the issue.

Google Translation API v1 is preparing to be closed, so they put more restrictions what is not surprising - this was announced months ago.

Deleting whole your cache was not smart idea. You can complain now that it will be expensive for you to gor translations (which you already had for free) but it is pointless - it is Google Translation API v2 who charges you not us. Please point your complains to Google. Here we can only tell you that we noticed your opinion and we have no impact in this area.

Please use Microsoft tester (http://www.vbenterprisetranslator.com/forum/vbet4-troubleshooting/413-faq-2.html#post1729) to determine what is it something wrong with your Microsoft connection. If not then please send access details just as Radek asked you before so we will be able to check what is going on.

We will gladly add any other translation API which Terms Of Service allows for that. vBET is already prepared to easily add new translation providers. Please point any one which you want to be supported in vBET :)

Please tell do you steel need any help in this area? If the product is already uninstalled then I assume that there is no more need help in this area - right?

Snake
30-09-11, 23:58
So how do you plan to service NEW customers Michael?

How are they ment to translate BIG new forums from scratch.

Your software is now useless, unless you wake up and find a way for people to use it.

Honestly i dont care, i can take it or leave it.

It is you that no longer has a business.

vBET
01-10-11, 00:52
Same way as until now. vBET from very beginning provides translations from external translation provider. Now we can support many providers - so we service our customers even better than before.
Anyone using vBET is aware about external translation providers and he knows that he has to be able to use those services. It is included in vBET License - we are clear about it.

Who are they? And why are you asking me about others decisions? If you are asking me about hints for such forums here are some:
1. Add to vBET ignored pages as many content as you think is not important for translations
2. Use free translation services first
3. To avoid reaching free translations limit too fast - limit supported languages. Add new ones from time to time when your cache is full.
4. Even if you are using paid translations - limit supported languages to those which you think are most important for your forum. And even then limit it more - after time you can add more languages if you find that costs are OK for you.
5. If you are not using Google Translation API v1 - do not clear your database cache and disable automatic cleaning, or at least change cache time to live to much longer (avoid paying for same translations)
6. Avoid translation of SPAM, by verifying posts until those are published.
7. Look for other translation services which Terms Of Service allows to add it into vBET and let us know about those - we will gladly support as many translation APIs as possible :)
Those are several hints which came to me right now.

Our software does still the same thing as before (and even better) so it is very useful. It can be more expensive, but it is as useful as it was before and even more, because we add new features :)

Do you need more help in this thread? :)

vBET
09-10-11, 12:28
No answer - assumed that no more help is needed here. In case if it is - please write here, we will change status to Open again.

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